The Suckers and Losers Hoax

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The Hoax

Trump Called American Soldiers “Suckers And Losers”

In 2020, media outlets, along with Biden and Democratic leaders, claimed that President Trump referred to American soldiers who died in combat as “suckers” and “losers.” This claim, originating from an article in The Atlantic, quickly spread and caused significant outrage.


What Really Happened

Advisors And Officials Confirm Trump Never Called American Soldiers “Suckers And Losers”

Numerous people who were present during the alleged incident, including former National Security Advisor John Bolton, former White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders, and other officials, have publicly denied that Trump made the derogatory comments. Additionally, contemporaneous records and official documents from the trip do not support the allegations. Both John Bolton and Sarah Sanders, who were on the trip, have stated that they never heard Trump make such comments, and Bolton, a frequent critic of Trump, explicitly said in his book that he did not hear Trump say anything of the sort.

The Atlantic Article

The initial claim was published in an article by Jeffrey Goldberg. It’s crucial to highlight that the article relies exclusively on anonymous sources. By citing The Atlantic’s piece, which is based on these unidentified sources, other news outlets were able to present unverified information as factual.


Hoaxology | How The Hoax Was Made

Here’s how this hoax was made.

Anonymous Sources

The hoax originated from an article published by The Atlantic, which alleged that Trump made derogatory remarks about fallen soldiers during a 2018 trip to France. This article relied on anonymous sources, making it difficult to verify the claims. Despite the lack of verifiable evidence, the story was quickly picked up and amplified by major media outlets, leading to widespread circulation. The emotionally charged nature of the accusation made it a powerful weapon for Trump’s political opponents.

Circular Reporting

Circular reporting was used in creating and amplifying this false narrative. The Atlantic initially published the story based entirely on anonymous sources, without providing verifiable evidence or identifying other individuals who allegedly heard Trump make these comments. Despite this lack of confirmation, other media outlets quickly picked up the story and treated it as factual.

Here’s how circular reporting worked in this case:

  1. The Atlantic’s Initial Article: The Atlantic published the original story, citing anonymous sources that claimed Trump made derogatory comments about fallen soldiers. Since the article did not provide specific details or named witnesses, it was an unverified report from the start.
  2. Other Media Outlets Amplify the Story: After The Atlantic’s article gained attention, numerous media outlets began citing it as their primary source. Instead of independently verifying the claims or seeking alternative witnesses, they echoed The Atlantic’s story, giving it widespread coverage.
  3. Repetition Creates Credibility: As more and more outlets referenced the same unverified article, the claim appeared increasingly credible to the public. Each new article or broadcast cited the original story as evidence, creating the false impression that the accusation was well-documented and substantiated by multiple sources.
  4. Ignored Contradictions: Even though several credible witnesses, such as John Bolton and Sarah Sanders, publicly denied that Trump made such remarks, these counterpoints were often downplayed or ignored by the media. The focus remained on repeating The Atlantic’s original, anonymous claims, which had now become widely accepted due to the cycle of repetition.

Through circular reporting, an unverified, anonymously sourced story was treated as validated fact. The repetition across various media outlets amplified the hoax, making it appear more legitimate than it actually was.

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14 responses to “The Suckers and Losers Hoax”

  1. You should include these extra details: Media outlets use the John Kelly statements as proof that Trump said these things, but that is a lie.

    John Kelly was a former Chief of Staff for the Trump administration, whom Trump unceremoniously fired. Kelly made on-record comments to CNN on the topic of “suckers and losers”, but he did NOT confirm the false story. What John Kelly actually said is that Trump called two specific people who just happen to be veterans, George H.W. Bush and John McCain, “losers”, and said Trump “thinks” they are “suckers”.

    If someone calls a guy or girl who happens to be a firefighter or a physicist an “a-hole”, does that mean they’re calling or even believe that all firefighters or physicists “a-holes”? Of course not! But that’s the story and the reasoning the media are using!

    I hope you can update your story to include this.

    1. brieflymystical9c68270862 Avatar
      brieflymystical9c68270862

      Thank you I did not know this information

  2. There was a suggestion by Scott Adams to have a section with a definition of each type of hoax, and group these and the many other hoaxes by their hoax type. These types would include “rupars” (deceptive editing of video), “talking-past-the-sale”, “anonymous sources”, “expert suggestions” (51 IC “experts” on the Hunter laptop), and so on. The definition would also contain a short explanation of how a hoax of each type is developed.

    This would teach people how it’s done and help them recognize it when they encounter new hoaxes, as we should expect to see in late September and October of 2024.

    1. That is in the works.

  3. brieflymystical9c68270862 Avatar
    brieflymystical9c68270862

    This site is fantastic and easy to use, sounds like complications to me.

  4. brieflymystical9c68270862 Avatar
    brieflymystical9c68270862

    The article claims these comments were made at senior staff meetings and all of the senior staff denies he said it. Goldberg needs to tell us how many sources he had and even who they were since he is also a major Never-Trumper. Especially since Gen. Kelly uses these words to describe how Trump felt about Bush and McCain (as politicians possibly).

  5. https://www.hqmc.marines.mil/Portals/61/HMX-1%20E-mails%20(4pgs)(FNL)%2019-1634.pdf?ver=61sAp4QhGhWzd7ZQUIf2Hg%3D%3D

    You’re missing the most exonerating evidence. The Marine 1 team released the emails in which they cancelled the mission.

  6. Marine Helicopter Squadron One released emails saying it was there call to cancel the flight due to weather. Here is the link:

    https://www.hqmc.marines.mil/Portals/61/HMX-1%20E-mails%20(4pgs)(FNL)%2019-1634.pdf?ver=61sAp4QhGhWzd7ZQUIf2Hg%3D%3D

  7. Here is the audio of what General Kelly has to say about Trump’s appreciation for those who served:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/22/us/politics/john-kelly-trump-fitness-character.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

    1. I listened to that and don’t hear him refer to those that served. It also sounds like the General has a big ax to grind and is willing to be loose with his application of the definition.

  8. There’s also the fact that if you die in a war, you have by definition lost a battle.

  9. Flyover Country Doc Avatar
    Flyover Country Doc

    This is the AI response to whether there is any corroborating first hand audio or video evidence to support this claim:

    Is there any actual audio or video evidence that President Trump referred to American soldiers who died in combat as “suckers” and “losers.”
    Answer
    As of the last available information, there is no publicly released audio or video evidence that directly captures President Trump referring to American soldiers who died in combat as “suckers” and “losers.” The reports about these comments are based on accounts from anonymous sources and confirmations by individuals like John Kelly, Trump’s former Chief of Staff, who spoke on the matter without providing direct recordings or transcripts.

    The Atlantic article from 2020, which first reported these comments, relied on anonymous sources with firsthand knowledge of the discussions.
    Reuters and other fact-checking services have clarified that a video purporting to show Trump making these remarks during a Fox News interview was digitally altered and is not genuine.

    Given the nature of these allegations, if such direct evidence existed, it would likely have significant political and public impact. However, without audio or video confirmation, the evidence remains in the form of testimonial accounts from those who claim to have heard or been told about the remarks.

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